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Delibrium
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Postby Delibrium »

@ Smart Zivi: "Zivibomber" are still common in many BZS. Legally it is in a gray area.

@hellsmurf: §22 Paragraph 3: You have to take part in training courses so that you can perform your work properly.
This means that the sanitation course is practically compulsory at the emergency services. (With the exception of the handful of IDlers there.)
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Postby Humpfti »

... not everyone manages the final medical exam and it is preached again and again during the course that you get a full professional training (there were also volunteers in my course) - but you don't have to be trained.

I would like to know more about the subject of "civil bombers" , since it is the daily practice with really many RK local offices (especially those without HA) to also staff ambulances with 2 civilians (whereby a small local office [1 car] with a civilian KTW drives the same missions as one with one anyway Ambulance [what should also change the high roof?] ...).

From the Horn district I know, for example, that ALL KTWs there are manned exclusively by civilians during the day and the HAs only drive on one RTW and the NAW.
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Postby Humpfti »

But why should a civilian file a complaint against it - after all, it should be nice without supervision
Why is that actually illegal?
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Humpfti wrote:... not everyone manages the final medical exam and it is preached again and again during the course that you get a full professional training (there were also volunteers in my course) - but you don't have to be trained.
And then what???
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Postby pv »

Humpfti wrote:... not everyone manages the final medical exam and it is preached again and again during the course that one receives a complete professional training.
Afaik does not (!) Receive full vocational training because you lack the vocational module. What the RK is talking about is therefore imho nonsense.
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Postby Delibrium »

hellsmurf wrote:@ Delibrium: swarming out to clean ... or wwi
Take a look at the assignment: Emergency services, ambulance and disaster relief services. Since this will then become your main activity, you are not assigned to the correct field according to the assignment.
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pv wrote:Afaik does not (!) Receive full vocational training because you lack the vocational module. What the RK is talking about is therefore imho nonsense.
Doesn't matter because hardly anyone wants to start as a rescue sani anyway.
Nevertheless, at the end of the service we received a nice certificate, which says that you are a rescue sani and is also entitled to state that as a job title.
Wisch can help you with later applications. Fruit now has a professional module or not, the respective HR manager shouldn't care, he probably doesn't even know that there is such a thing.
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Postby semtex »

Prohibited is wrong, the legal gray area is more correct.

and 2 civilians on an ambulance vehicle is everyday life in all of Austria, fortunately 2 civilians on an ambulance vehicle is more the exception than the rule (it becomes especially critical when the ambulance arrives long before the ambulance ...)

as far as "schooling" is concerned.

you don't have to do anything. you also have to pass the exam ned. then either back office or "disposed of" ....

yes, we have paramedic training! We are not allowed to do the whole thing as a profession! is exactly the same with the volunteers ...
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Postby Humpfti »

Thanks for the info guys!
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semtex wrote:yes, we have paramedic training! We are not allowed to do the whole thing as a profession!
Are you sure?
I thought that HA only needed training as a paramedic (of course they can have more!). That would mean that theoretically after the civilian rescue one could start as an HA (in my opinion) and the statement from telecover33 actually says that too!
Nevertheless, at the end of the service we received a nice certificate, which says that you are a rescue sani and is also entitled to state that as a job title.
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Postby Delibrium »

@motorschaden: No, to work as an HA you definitely need the professional module. From time to time, agencies try to circumvent this, but the professional module is necessary for practicing the paramedic profession.

This is usually withheld from volunteers and civilians.
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Postby engine failure »

How is this table to be understood? <>

I interpret this to mean that the "normal" paramedic has 100 theoretical hours and the paramedic with a professional module has 140 hours! Do you think so too?
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Postby beavi $ »

You ask net really what the difference between RTW and KTW is right?
That is embarrassing ... no ambulance goes with 3 or 2 civilians.
At the ambulance you always have to take an emergency ani, and as a civilian you can't be that at all.

Civil bombers at the KT are the only real thing, and damn funny .. if you get upset about it, you will probably get blows from your colleagues ..

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Postby engine failure »

beavi $ wrote:You ask net really what the difference between RTW and KTW is right?
That is embarrassing ... no ambulance goes with 3 or 2 civilians.
At the ambulance you always have to take an emergency ani, and as a civilian you can't be that at all.

Civil bombers at the KT are the only real thing, and damn funny .. if you get upset about it, you will probably get blows from your colleagues ..
Is that related to me now?

For me it is not about ambulance or KTW but only about the training "paramedic" and professional module.
Did you even look at the table? It's not about paramedics or not! It's just about whether I understand this table (actually only the paramedic line) correctly!
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Postby telecover33 »

beavi $ wrote:You ask net really what the difference between RTW and KTW is right?
That is embarrassing ... no ambulance goes with 3 or 2 civilians.
Which is nonsense. I've been on the road often enough with an ambulance only manned by civilians. It has also happened that both ambulances at the district office were only occupied by civilians.
beavi $ wrote: At the ambulance you always have to take an emergency ani, and as a civilian you can't be that at all.
The only employee who had the emergency ani with us did not extend it, so he wasn't one anymore.
So it has very seldom happened that there was an emergency sanitary in the ambulance.